The source is an excerpt from a podcast, The WayForward Regenerative Conversations, featuring co-hosts Dr. John Izzo and Alain Gauthier in conversation with authors Rupert Read and Amanda Scott about their book, Transformative Adaptation: Another World is Still Just Possible. The discussion centers on the pressing need for transformative adaptation—a shift away from superficial fixes—to address the current global polycrisis, encompassing climate change, environmental destruction, and political breakdown, especially in light of the unraveling post-World War Two world order and specific political events. Read and Scott advocate for a holistic, systemic change guided by three pillars—land, community, and transformation—as the only viable way to avoid civilizational collapse, emphasizing that this necessary change is as much a spiritual and narrative shift as it is a practical one. They stress the urgency of moving beyond debates about adaptation being a "surrender" and instead focusing on strategic, just, and effective pathways, drawing on examples of existing transformative practices, particularly from the Global South. The conversation concludes by challenging listeners to engage in collective, generative imagination to co-create a positive future narrative.